's about the cost of health care rising, about government's role in health care, those are concerns. and whoever looks nice in these things or talks nice doesn't matter so much as what the substance and the takeaway is. because the next morning people are still going to be concerned around their kitchen table, what affects american families. are their kids going to have a future? do they have jobs? is their economy growing -- >> i get that. but also, as you know, the whole point of televised debate, there is a measure of how did you look? how did you seem? did you seem presidential? did you seem aggressive? did you seem like the underdog? did you -- did you flub? did you stutter? all those things, too, in addition to the specifics of policy and the actual facts that will be discussed, are also important. right? >> well, soledad, i think it means a lot to people on television. i worked in television for many years, too. certainly that is the chatter that many times people want to bring up to the public. it still comes down to this point of what did someone say, not just how did they
